-- defense identification zone? i mean, there are military threats out there and, admittedly, there is waste and fraud at the pentagon that can be cut, but the pentagon took a huge hit last time around under the sequester. >> right, yes. jon: is cutting tens of billions more the way to go right now? >> i don't think that is the way to go, and most republicans don't think that that's the way to go. but, jon, if they don't come up with some agreement, you will have those sequester cuts in the defense budget. and again, republicans want to decrease the -- increase the budget. so i believe that, listen, you had "forbes" magazine that did an article that college students can actually balance the country's budget. why can't congress do it? jon: yeah. that is a very good question. the last time around we had the supercommittee, you know? >> right. jon: we had house and senate members, a handful from each party getting together in a room, coming up with proposals. that ultimately went nowhere, so do you think the idea of ha